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  • #16
    Originally posted by ZooGirl02
    Yeah I probably should be more trusting. I should not assume bad things about people. I feel it is best to always assume the best.

    Anyway, I do not have any required treatment for anything as I do not have any bug infestations at all. Our apartments have been very good at not getting infestations as far as I know.

    Has nothing to do with being trusting at all. You live there. You have a right to know the ingredients of what is being sprayed in your home. And it also has nothing to do with assuming the worst either. You could have allergies that will flare up or worsen. You are just doing what you need to do for your safety.

    One of the reasons your complex hasn't had problems is the monthly control. I lived in an apartment in NJ thirty years ago that sprayed monthy too. They put a notice in your maibox and asked for all pets to be crated. The crating was a requirement. Not to keep the animals from being sprayed. But to keep them from getting out of the apartment. Seems the complex was sued by a tenant when her bird flew out the door and got away.

    They also had a provision in the notice for alternative treatment, baiting. Roach Motels for lack of a better term. I do not know where you live. Some areas of the country no matter how spic and span your home roaches are a fact of life. They will get in no matter what you try to do to prevent them. We even have a lovely species of flying roach here in SC. So they don't always crawl and sneak in through the cracks in the door.
    I feel sorry for people who don't have dogs. I hear they actually have to pick up food they drop on the floor

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    • #17
      The only reason the college could have refused is if the housing was provided free of charge. If there was a monthly rental fee then your friends had every right to demand that the college do something to control the roaches. The all life is sacred fanatics should not have been allowed to control the living space of anyone else in the building.

      The housing was not free ($35/month) but there were two families splitting a hut, and I knew the persons in the other half, and they told me the University would not spray because of the other persons. It was a religious issue, so that can complicate things.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by calicokitty
        The only reason the college could have refused is if the housing was provided free of charge. If there was a monthly rental fee then your friends had every right to demand that the college do something to control the roaches. The all life is sacred fanatics should not have been allowed to control the living space of anyone else in the building.

        The housing was not free ($35/month) but there were two families splitting a hut, and I knew the persons in the other half, and they told me the University would not spray because of the other persons. It was a religious issue, so that can complicate things.

        Religious issues can cause problems. If the kitchen and bath areas were shared then I can see the point. Married living quarters doesn't seem to me to be anything but seperate living quarters. You have your livingroom, bedroom, kitchen and bath. They have theirs. But to me, if the housing was not communal then the religious restrictions ended at the respective doorways. No one has a right to come into your home and force you to live by their religious views.

        There are literally dozens upon dozens of situations where I doubt the university would have allowed one religion to control the living space of another couple.
        I've run into a particularly nasty sect of voodoo cultist. They practice ritual sacrifice of small animals. What would the university have done if they occupied one half of the hut? Their religious views after all require animal sacrifice to their dieties. I think the university failed your friends.
        I feel sorry for people who don't have dogs. I hear they actually have to pick up food they drop on the floor

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        • #19
          Well, the key here is that the quarters were built in WWII for temporary housing, and were still in use during the 1970's. Think decrepit, and they were divided in half. You can expect there was an easy route for vermin between the partitions. You can try and control your area, but behind the partition was a ready supply of insects ready to re-enter your quarters. Ugh!
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          • #20
            Originally posted by calicokitty
            Well, the key here is that the quarters were built in WWII for temporary housing, and were still in use during the 1970's. Think decrepit, and they were divided in half. You can expect there was an easy route for vermin between the partitions. You can try and control your area, but behind the partition was a ready supply of insects ready to re-enter your quarters. Ugh!


            My impression of the problem was the refusal of the university to do anything about the problem because of the religious views of one couple. It was my understanding that the university did not spray in your friend's quarters also.
            Because the other couple refused to allow it. If that is wrong then I apologize for the misunderstanding.


            Oh I know about those huts. Spent a few months in them during my time on active duty in the early seventies. You can still find a few in use as barns and other outbuildings on farms. They were easy to take down and cheap to move.
            I live in Charleston, SC. Near a swamp and it is almost a sub-tropical climate. The beasties are near impossible to completely prevent their entry. But you can control the flood of bugs to a mere one or two now and then. I do not use spray for roach control. There is a very good bait to use for that. Ants have to be sprayed for. They live in the walls and the common ants around here are as destructive to homes as termites.
            I feel sorry for people who don't have dogs. I hear they actually have to pick up food they drop on the floor

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            • #21
              Originally posted by midnightblze
              But for those who live in areas that require monthly applications, either by ordinance or policy, I encourage that questions be asked.

              I remember in graduate school; there was some married student housing in WWII quonset huts (and this was long after WWII) that were shared. On one side was a family who felt all life was sacred; my friends shared the other side, and were overrun with roaches. The University was stopped from spraying due to the other side refusing to allow it. If both sides were not sprayed, it would do no good.

              The only reason the college could have refused is if the housing was provided free of charge. If there was a monthly rental fee then your friends had every right to demand that the college do something to control the roaches. The all life is sacred fanatics should not have been allowed to control the living space of anyone else in the building.
              Wow. I never known anyone who believed that even killing a bug was bad. I am Catholic and Catholics don't have any qualms about smashing an annoying fly or spraying their apartments to keep the bugs away.


              I love my Precious kitty cat!

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              • #22
                Originally posted by ZooGirl02
                Wow. I never known anyone who believed that even killing a bug was bad. I am Catholic and Catholics don't have any qualms about smashing an annoying fly or spraying their apartments to keep the bugs away.
                I'm catholic too. I think somewhere though it makes sense that we are all created equally by God. I don't kill most bugs either though I will tell you I have no problem smashing a mosquito. And, if my house were infested I'd kill them too.
                People can stretch the meaning of the bible to fit their own beliefs, but I picture the original garden of Eden will all of the species coexisting peacefully side by side. THat's MY idea of heaven!
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by JGallo
                  I'm catholic too. I think somewhere though it makes sense that we are all created equally by God. I don't kill most bugs either though I will tell you I have no problem smashing a mosquito. And, if my house were infested I'd kill them too.
                  People can stretch the meaning of the bible to fit their own beliefs, but I picture the original gargen of Eden will all of the species coexisting peacefully side by side. THat's MY idea of heaven!
                  AMEN! Anyway, its cool to know another Catholic on here.


                  I love my Precious kitty cat!

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                  • #24
                    We have all kinds of religions here, Catholic, Protestant, LDS, Jewish, Buddhist, athesists,used to have some Moslems and a few pagans but we are all united in one way, we love and care for our pets. With that as a starting point, we find that we also have a lot of shared common interests and so we get to deal with the person not the label that society puts on us as a group.

                    I myself am LDS and very grateful to be, but I know I have been blessed by meeting people here, not as ethnic or religious groups but as fellow cat lovers. As Loki <rb> would say when ever she met a dog, Ack icky poo you're a dawg , wanna play? She knew everyone was a potential friend.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Barkulz
                      When I rented, I simply refused to allow them to spray my apartment. That was a few years back and we lose less and less control over our own lives each day so I don't know if your landlord would balk but an idea would be to claim that you have severe reactions to chemicals and have been advised by your physician to avoid them. (that was true for me.. it's true for everyone to some degree - when Terminix comes on our street you can smell whatever they spray on the perimeter of houses three or four doors down - sometimes if I'm working in the garden, I have to come insde). We used Terminix for awhile on the outside only (and they thought we were "strange" because we would not let them spray inside). We dropped them because of a persistent ant problem in the kitchen they had many chances to resolve but didn't. The final straw was when the idiot technician sprayed one of the outdoor cat bowls because there were ants in it. And I told him not to spray where I was putting my vegetable garden. I was walking behind him showing him soil not to spray and I think, knowing him and his beady angry eyes, he sprayed it purposely! We don't have any more roach problems now that before and now we have Molly .. our little bug catcher. <g>

                      I had a few extra bugs as a result of them coming to my place after all the units around me were sprayed but a broom took care of them quickly. Not enough "extra" bugs to tolerate my baseboards being sprayed monthly.
                      Well, I'm not allergic to any of those bug sprays so I won't be telling my land lord that I am.


                      I love my Precious kitty cat!

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                      • #26
                        Calico Kitty wrote: "Most of the insecticides are acetylcholinesterase inhibitors [think short circuiting the nerve pathway]."
                        This is Markey's husband writing, chemist by training and one-time laboratory manager and compliance manager for a company that sold pesticides (among other things; we also sold beneficial bacteria cultures for degrading a wide variety of wastes.) Part of my job involved dealing with USEPA and the various State agencies in matters of pesticide registration.
                        Yes, we're talking about nerve agents (nerve "gas", altho none of them are gasses.) The compounds used in insecticides are very toxic to insects but much less so to mammals, birds and reptiles. They also are selected to degrade fairly rapidly to form less-toxic compounds. Still, chronic exposure to low levels of the stuff may have some deliterious effects.
                        One thing you could do in areas that have been sprayed with insecticides, to give the cats a bit more protection, would be to put a little laundry bleach (chlorine-type, Chlorox or equal) in water, about a tablespoon in a gallon of warm water, and swab the sprayed areas of the floor with a damp mop. That would speed the degradation of the insecticide residues where the cats might be exposed to it.

                        Albert (Al)
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by ZooGirl02
                          Wow. I never known anyone who believed that even killing a bug was bad. I am Catholic and Catholics don't have any qualms about smashing an annoying fly or spraying their apartments to keep the bugs away.
                          This is such an interesting topic: Who has the right to life?

                          I will admit that, even though I am hoping someday to become somewhere between a vegan and a vegetarian, I don't feel too bad about killing bugs if they are disease carrying or a true health issue.
                          Markey

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                          • #28
                            Well the pest control guy came again today. I asked him what the insecticide was called and he said it is called Fanam. I have no idea if that is the correct spelling or not. I Googled it and came up with some results but none of the results were related to it being an insecticide. Does anyone know anything about this insecticide? I asked him if it was harmful to pets and he said it would only be harmful until it dried and that it would only be harmful if my cat orally ingested it. I kind of freaked out when she went near one of the walls where he had just sprayed. She did not lick it or anything though thankfully!


                            I love my Precious kitty cat!

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